One of my players asks....

[IslandBum1]

its a spam link

[redsevens]

Where is BlueSharpie when we need a spam shot?

[DaculaJones]

The Limp Caller......

Need I say more.
You've just showed me your lack of understanding the game.
How your call ripples to the other limp callers to follow suit.

The Limp Caller ends up winning these big pots with 2 cards that should never have been in the hand.
They can't get away from their marginal post flop draws because "the pot's too big to fold".
But, trust me, they lose a lot more of these big pot hands than they win.
And even if they do win big pots early, they end up being an ATM later in the tourney.

Remember... The pre-flop raise is to get the random hands to fold.
You want the marginal hands to call.

As SPRY always sez......

"Embrace the Donkey, for he will make you rich."

[JudP]

the problem is not 1 limp caller but 4. Even with Aces you do not want to go 5 handed. I do not care how good you are if more than half your table stinks you are best off folding until you can play some proper poker and get to the flop heads up or 3 handed. I like to wait until the king of the donkeys (last donk standing) gets a big stack and slowly chip away from them. People tend to fold when they raise (fear of exit). I have no fear of busting out I just enjoy it more heads up ahead then 5-6 handed ahead.

[gigi1218]

You've been playing long enough to know that sometimes you DO have to play AA against 4-5 other players, if you're at "that" table, and that is when you have to be prepared to fold post flop. (again, this is mostly in the first few blinds levels of tournamet)

[007-2]

even against 4-5 players- you are greater than 50% chance to win from statistical standpoint. Spry is right. you get 4-5x your equity in prefop, and you get 1:2 chance of winning. I would take that chances.

[007-2]

I think it is easy to play AA in any situation. I wish I have AA any time I am at this table.
The harder questions to ask Is How do you play AKs, AQs, AKo, AQ, AJ, QQ, JJ, in this type of loose table?
That is what separate great player from good player!

[JudP]

Think I am being misunderstood here. I want Aces, but I do not want to let 5 people see a cheap flop when I have them. I am raising enough to get the number down to heads up or 3 handed. If I know 5 people are calling a little raise, I am making a bigger raise.

[BigSlickJedi]

I don't like AA against 4-5 players. It's a fact that the value of AA goes down for every player at the table over 2-3. I'll never fold AA with multiple all-ins preflop (unless getting close to the money in a cash tournament or if it's a point race and there's a good chance 2 or more players might go out, giving me a bump up in the money or points). And the worst thing a player can do is slow play Aces with several other players getting a cheap look at the flop.

007-2, you are not the favorite to win with AA against 4-5 players. In fact, you are less than 50% to win with AA against 5 players.

[IslandBum1]

you may not be 50% but still favored to win, pre-flop

AcAd - 43.92
9h8h - 14.72
JcJs - 15.92
KcQc - 12.22
6h6d - 13.22

[gigi1218]

If you have Q4 against my AA, you are 100% to win!! LOL

[IslandBum1]

murphy's law of suckout

[007-2]

Originally Posted by BigSlickJedi

I don't like AA against 4-5 players. It's a fact that the value of AA goes down for every player at the table over 2-3. I'll never fold AA with multiple all-ins preflop (unless getting close to the money in a cash tournament or if it's a point race and there's a good chance 2 or more players might go out, giving me a bump up in the money or points). And the worst thing a player can do is slow play Aces with several other players getting a cheap look at the flop.

007-2, you are not the favorite to win with AA against 4-5 players. In fact, you are less than 50% to win with AA against 5 players.

like Kevin calculates. It may not be 50% but, it is pretty close. but you should think about getting a chance to quadruple or quintuple up. Once you re a massive chip lead, you are a force to be reckon with in the tournament. i don't slow play my aces. in fact last night I raise my AA to heads up, and it was suckout heads up by 9-3. But I am not mad because 8/10 times, I will double or triple up.

[IslandBum1]

And just for the heck of it that is having an 86.81% pre flop

[BigSlickJedi]

Like I said, you're less than 50% to win. I don't look at it as I'm 43% to win against this one guy's 15% - I look at it as I'm 43% to win against the rest of the combined hands' 57%.

Now I'll still play them hard with several other players in the hand, but when nearing the bubble for the money or whatever, I'll play them more conservatively, meaning that if the flop brings out a possible flush or straight (not a draw, but a made flush or straight), I'm not gonna go all in. If the flop just brings out draws, I'm gonna bet my Aces hard and if someone got lucky and flopped a set or 2 pair, well good for them. But I'm not going to just check/call and let someone suck out on me on the turn or river w/o paying a lot to stay in the hand. If they want to chase, they're gonna have to commit a lot (if not all) their chips to do so.