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10-28-2005, 02:30 PM
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You know, Ben, if you had just called me "psycho and aggressive", I would have taken that as a compliment (from you....hhahahah), but when you add those adjectives to my dealing, it stings a bit.
Phylis, I just can't seem to do the "Short Version"... I seem to be incapable! _________________________ "Success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" |
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10-28-2005, 02:30 PM
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No objections to that PL.
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10-28-2005, 02:35 PM
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PDF version. The Joelarbear -------------------------------------------------- Roll Tide! |
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10-28-2005, 02:37 PM
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By the way, do you think I would lie to you about this? Or do you think I would deliberately mis-quote this to serve my own purpose? Ben, that hurts.
The Joelarbear -------------------------------------------------- Roll Tide! |
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10-28-2005, 02:40 PM
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Those weren't my words JOE. Go re-read the thread. I think better of you than that.
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10-28-2005, 02:54 PM
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I fully understand the SOSA rule. If you re-read my post, I clearly stated my disagreement being the way OATS has handled her preparatory "side card" showdown. Now I will add this, RRofP has provisions for exposed cards in a SHOWDOWN scenario. You have quoted this rule. It is for showdowns only.
In non-showdown situations, there are provisions for a mucked hand to be retrieved from the muck and become live. In fact, the line reads, "Cards thrown into the muck may be ruled dead. However, a hand that is clearly identifiable may be retrieved at management’s discretion if doing so is in the best interest of the game." If a dealer (a representative of management) retrieves this hand to be exposed, what rule applies when it is a winning hand? I would argue my hand to be live and playable as the dealer kept it from the muck. Also, in the showdown section, the following rule applies to retrieved hands: "Cards read for themselves" and "If a player other than the pot winner asks to see a hand that has been folded, that hand is dead. If the winning player asks to see a losing player’s hand, both hands are live, and the best hand wins." The second quote applies to showdown situations. If the hand is identified and sequestered on the flop, turn or river, the hand is live and they speak for themselves. My point is simply this, the SOSA rule helps prevent collusion and should be used strictly for that. If someone errantly affects other players in that hand, then they should be exposed. If the only player affected is the person showing the hand (ie. to an observer) then the cards should not be shown. To further, dealers should NOT be the aggressor in this situation by setting cards aside. It puts APC in the position of acting inconsistent with common poker rules. And OATS, I still love ya girlfriend!! |
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10-28-2005, 02:58 PM
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I truly believe that you would argue with a wall, Ben.
The Joelarbear -------------------------------------------------- Roll Tide! |
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10-28-2005, 03:00 PM
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No I wouldn't.
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10-28-2005, 03:15 PM
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Ben, I deal for the APC, and their rules on this are clear (to me), and I do my best to enforce them. Its my job. APC rules are, if cards are shown to a live player, those cards are shown to the table immdediately. If the cards are shown to a dead player, they are saved and available to be shown after the hand is over. There is no way to keep them available (if they end up being mucked) if I don't set them aside from the main muck pile. However, they are STILL mucked. There is no CPR for this hand...no rule that can bring an already folded hand back to life. Those are the APC rules. I don't feel it makes me self-righteous to enforce these rules....it's my job. Rules vary. You could play at my house, and the "perfect low" would be a wheel.... And we could then play at your house, and your rules would be that 6,4 is the perfect low. Best thing is to know the rules before you sit down, then play by them. I think that was the original point of this thread....making sure the rules are clear before play starts.
Still love ya, too, Ben. Open debate is great, I am all for it. _________________________ "Success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" |
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10-28-2005, 03:17 PM
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I think he just likes to see me get "uppity"....hahahhahahaa!
_________________________ "Success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" |
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10-28-2005, 03:23 PM
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Well, you did good until you said, "Ben,".
Vigilante dealer tactics are not an APC rule. The act of holding a hand out of the muck prevents that hand from being mucked and is still a live hand. I think its absolute self righteousness to try and hold cards aside so they can be exposed. It's contrary to general poker rules and adds a "pain in the ass" factor to APC events. I am not objecting to the exposing cards to live players part of your post. Just the fact that you are holding cards aside. Bottom line is you shouldn't do it. What is gained by doing it other than pissing APC players off? There is no benefit to it as the hand was intentionally folded. The end result is you get to say, "nanny nanny boo boo" to someone. I think its the wrong approach for you, dealers and APC to approach its players. |
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10-28-2005, 03:27 PM
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I don't remember hearing Oats ever say "nanny nanny boo boo" to anyone. I have heard her drop the F-Bomb a few times though.
"Vigilante dealer tactics", "pain in the ass factor"??? Sheesh Ben, do you read these things that you post? The Joelarbear -------------------------------------------------- Roll Tide! |
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10-28-2005, 03:29 PM
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Yes! Next question.
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